Paul L. Caron

Thursday, June 23, 2016

Bales:  75% Of Law School Deans Support Arizona's Use Of GRE As Substitute For LSAT, Not Its Use Of 'Misleading Employment Stats'

Arizona Logo (2016)Following up on my previous post, 148 Deans Demand LSAC Rescind Threat To Expel University Of Arizona Over Use Of GRE In Law School Admissions:  Dean Rick Bales (Ohio Northern) notes that this "does not imply support for the school's advert containing misleading employment statistics."


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I don't care if they use a DMV exam. Just weed out the idiots who steal from clients, neglect their cases and treat female clients and firm employees as bed partners. I would rather see a personality test or psycho-social assessment prior to law school admission.

Posted by: Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance King | Jun 25, 2016 9:26:08 PM

I'm with you, UNE! The GRE contains math, so I think it sorts out who's got a brain and who has a hatrack just as well as the LSAT does.

Posted by: Old Ruster from JDJunkyard | Jun 23, 2016 9:18:53 PM

I'm actually OK with the GRE insofar as Arizona stays within the proscribed boundaries detailed in ABA Standard 503 and Interpretation 503-3: the alternate test(s) cannot account for more than 10% of the class, the scores must be at or above the 85th percentile, AND those students must have either a cumulative UGPA of 3.5 or higher or have been in the Top 10% of their college class for at least six semesters. That's a decent set of safeguards, in my opinion.

Posted by: Unemployed Northeastern | Jun 23, 2016 4:25:53 PM

Also, kudos to prof Caron for refusing to be bullied into silence, and bringing this sort of thing to the forefront. I would not have even believed an ad like this could possibly exist in today's environment, had I not seen it here (i bet quite a few faculty feel the same way). Thank you...

Posted by: Anon | Jun 23, 2016 2:43:02 PM

I get that faculty may be generally reluctant to speak out about the questionable practices of other schools, perhaps for fear of U.S. News reputation ballot retaliation, but good grief!

If there were ever a time to draw a line in the sand and stand up against behavior that cheapens legal education as a whole, this is it!!! Kudos dean Bales...

Posted by: Anon | Jun 23, 2016 2:09:28 PM