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Monday, November 23, 2015

Amidst 32% Enrollment Decline, Gonzaga Law School Offers Buyouts To All 17 Tenured Faculty (4 Accept)

Gonzaga LogoInlander, Why Gonzaga University School of Law Offered Buy-Outs to its Tenured Professors:

From 2011 to 2014, GU's School of Law has seen its application pool deplete by 36 percent. Enrollment has dropped by 28 percent in that same time.

As a result, the administration has offered buy-outs to all of its tenured professors. So far, four of the 17 faculty members have taken the offer. Law school dean Jane Korn does not anticipate the need to cut any more positions.

"Nationally, since 2011, applications to law schools have dropped around 40 percent," Korn says. "Every dean had to make a decision to lower standards or take a budget hit, and we decided to take the budget hit."

Korn declined to give the law school's budget, but says the school is staffed for a student body of 525 students (175 per class). In 2010, enrollment for first-year students was 183, and that number dropped to 125 in 2014 (still an increase from the 108 first-years in 2013).

Update:

https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2015/11/amidst-32-enrollment-decline-gonzaga-offers-buyouts-to-all-17-tenured-faculty-four-have-accepted-.html

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Comments

Law schools need to have football to be more attractive to today's students!

Posted by: John M Michels | Dec 1, 2015 4:12:53 PM

@ Anon - that is really sweet. Unfortunately, there is a bi-modal salary distribution in which grads either get $160k in biglaw and the next mode is all the way down to $60k. Most of these 2-10 attorney firms will probably start around $50k, and may or may not give benefits. I can't even think of what type of entry level legal job pays $85k except perhaps a tenure track assistant prof job at a third tier school in a rural market, which is likely what you are referring to. No Gonzaga grads are getting hired into academia.

Oh, and Gonzaga average debt is $126k to be precise.

Posted by: JM | Nov 23, 2015 6:45:34 PM

Anon, small law pays less than half big law.

see bi-modal salary distribution.

http://www.nalp.org/class_of_2013_bimodal_salary_curve

Posted by: terry malloy | Nov 23, 2015 5:57:28 PM

JM - I had 100k+ in debt out of law school and my first job paid 85K - half what big law pays today. I lived quite comfortably on that salary and made my loan payments.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 23, 2015 5:21:51 PM

@ Anon.25 - Good point. I think you are right.

@ Question - Large(r) law firms are the only employers that pay well enough to support $100k+ in student debt. Furthermore, far more students are unemployed/underemployed than working in small firms.

Posted by: JM | Nov 23, 2015 11:54:52 AM

Question,

I don't think it is insane that Gonzaga students work at smaller firms (under 11 lawyers). It is insane for Gonzaga graduates (or Standard graduates, or Harvard graduates, or Univ of Washington graduates . . . ) to work as solos right out of school.

43 students are employed at 2 to 10 lawyer firms. That's not terrible, but the pay likely is. Hard to justify circa $175,000 in debt to make $50k per year without health insurance doing contested divorces, residential real estate, and DWIs.

Posted by: Jojo | Nov 23, 2015 11:02:09 AM

JM,
Why is it "insane" that Gonzaga students work at smaller firms? How many law firms of 250+ attorneys even have offices in Spokane?

Posted by: Question | Nov 23, 2015 9:55:37 AM

JM: On average, do you think the stats were any different in the decade prior to the last 5 years? I don't think so. This isn't a new employment crisis; it's a new transparency crisis (in the eyes of the law schools).

Posted by: anon. 25 | Nov 23, 2015 9:16:35 AM

Its amazing that four or five years into the employment crisis I can look up a random law school's employment stats on LST and still be stunned. Behold the stats for Gonzaga's 2014 class (162 total grads).

51-100 Attorneys 4 0 0 0 4
101-250 Attorneys 2 0 0 0 2
251-500 Attorneys 0 0 0 0 0
501+ Attorneys 0 0 0 0 0

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/gonzaga/ABA/2014/

That's right, zero in 250+ attorney firms, and only 5 in firms over 25 attorneys. That is insane. Meanwhile, 31 not employed at all, and 19 in business and industry.

Posted by: JM | Nov 23, 2015 6:48:01 AM

Will Gonzaga eventually shift to non-tenured faculty to handle some/all of the teaching load?

Posted by: Gus Santorano | Nov 23, 2015 6:45:15 AM

If congress caps grad plus loans, the marginal schools will start closing. No one will lend operating capital to a flailing law school if the grad plus sluice-gates are even slightly closed.

Posted by: terry malloy | Nov 23, 2015 6:05:29 AM

It appears that schools are borrowing the "drive it until the wheels fall off" from high mileage car owners' play books. The shame of it is that the ABA and AALS had time and resources to fix the system. They just couldn't do anything.

The next shoe to drop is funding. Last week the Wall Street journal took a poke at med students who participate in the PSLF program. There is a lot of public displeasure with the terms of income based forgiveness programs and the enabling of sky-high tuition with federal backing.


Posted by: Jojo | Nov 23, 2015 5:37:40 AM

Isn't there eventually going to be litigation, where schools fail to envision more or less predictable declines in enrollment and then lay off faculty?

Posted by: mike livingston | Nov 23, 2015 4:20:34 AM