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Tuesday, March 18, 2014

More on the ABA's Decisions on Changing the Law School Accreditation Standards

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It's too bad the cowards wouldn't implement the bar passage proposal. Too much lip from the TTTs.

Posted by: Jojo | Mar 18, 2014 10:02:29 AM

I wonder if Stephen Diamond knows the definition of a pyrrhic victory? Anything that constrains administration from cutting costs is against the interest of the majority of the faculty. Santa Clara is an expensive private school with terrible employment outcomes. There are 7-8 schools in California that are superior to it. In short, its days are numbered.

Posted by: JM | Mar 18, 2014 1:55:20 PM

While all California schools have been hit hard by the downturn, Santa Clara has more than held its own. Our location in Silicon Valley, which is enjoying a boom, is always helpful. But thank you for your concern.

Posted by: Stephen Diamond | Mar 19, 2014 10:36:48 AM


Your school’s employment numbers are a matter of public record. They’re right here: They’re not good. Zero A3 Clerkships? Twice as many completely unemployed as in Biglaw?

Proximity is a total red herring meant to sucker in fools. Your school could be located inside the companies you speak of and it wouldn’t matter. Silicon Valley hires grads from Columbia/NYU, etc. long before they hire from Santa Clara.

I’m not concerned about your school. I’m not even jaded on law school—I graduated in 2009 and law has been very rewarding and fun for me. I’ve paid all my debt, and would do the whole thing again. I just don’t understand why profs like you can’t understand that reducing tuition is the only means of self-preservation at this point. No one is buying what you are selling—at least not at that price. Can you help shed some light on the thought process?

Posted by: JM | Mar 19, 2014 11:52:59 AM

Do you really believe that, Steve? The 2012 entering class was nearly 100 students (or 1/3) smaller than the 2010 entering class, the median LSAT has dropped 2 points in that time, it costs about $64,000/year to attend, only 128 of 298 (42%) of the class of 2012 landed FT, LT, license-required jobs at any salary, with 0 federal clerkships and only 31 were in BigLaw (>100 attorneys). As I see it, about 11% of your graduates came out OK, presuming they keep their attrition-happy BigLaw jobs long enough to put a dent in their six-figure loan balances. Oh, and 72 of your grads were still unemployed, nine months out (plus another 19 in short-term jobs paid by the school out of current students' tuition dollars). It certainly does not appear that the Silicon Valley boom has helped Santa Clara in the way that it has helped, say, SBS or MIT. You know, Boston has a private equity/biotech/real estate boom going on itself. Hasn't helped Northeastern Law's grads in any way whatsoever. It's almost as if the fate of one thing is not tied to the other. Go figure.

Sources: ABA disclosures, school website, Law School Transparency (or as Steve thinks of them, Bernie Madoff and Jordan Belfourt).

Posted by: Unemployed Northeastern | Mar 19, 2014 11:59:44 AM

As I said the California downturn has hit many schools but the ABA numbers for 2012 grads indicate we are indeed holding our own wrt 9 month employment ahead of most other competitive California schools.

Posted by: Stephen Diamond | Mar 19, 2014 1:01:19 PM